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“The World’s Greatest Comic Magazine!” Fantastic Four No. 168

30 Sunday Mar 2025

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Fantastic Four 168
“Where Have All The Powers Gone?”
Published December 1975
Writer: Roy Thomas
Pencils: Rich Buckler
Inks: Joe Sinnott
Letters: Joe Rosen
Colors: Phil Rachelson
Editor: Thomas
Cover: Bucker and Sinnott

Synopsis

As Ben Grimm struggles with his adjustment to being human again, Mr. Fantastic tells him he’s hired Power Man to replace him on the roster, noting that the FF’s charter requires four super-powered heroes on the team. Ben does not take this well, and when the team goes on a mission to confront the Wrecker, he gets underfoot and needs to be rescued by Power Man and the rest of the team.

What’s going on here?

This is a notable issue for one big, obvious reason — Luke Cage joins the Fantastic Four! And while the story doesn’t live up to its potential, it’s still worth considering that Cage is just the third member of the team outside the Core Four, following Crystal and Medusa. He’s also the first person of color on the team. Unfortunately, he’s really only on the team to serve as a foil for Ben, and he’s dropped into the comic without any lead up or context. It would have been fun to tell the story from his perspective, and to see his reaction when Reed first approaches him, but we don’t get any of that. We don’t even get a “Sweet Christmas!” But we do get a lot of Ben’s being a boor.


Cage was an interesting choice for fill-in. To a certain degree, it makes sense, since he’s literally hero for hire. But he doesn’t have a history with the team, like Spider-man or even Daredevil, and I’m not aware of them ever crossing paths before. I’m guessing Cage is there to give him a bit of exposure and bump up sales of his own comic.


What I liked

The comic is at its best when we’re in the company of Ben and Alicia, who are clearly enjoying Ben’s return to human form. (A more provocative writer would have had Alicia become pregnant while Ben was human, which would have created an interesting dynamic. Maybe someone could write a What If?). It’s fun seeing Ben step back and let Alicia enjoy meeting her fans (and note the reference to comic creator Harvey Kurtzman).


After four issues of art from George Perez, Rich Buckler is back, and while he’s not in the same league as Perez, he does a fine job here. The contrast between Perez’s layouts, with pages crammed with panels an intricate backgrounds, and Buckler’s simpler approach is pretty jarring.


What I didn’t like

The entire issue is wrapped around Ben’s inability to adjust to no longer being the Thing. And while some of that is understandable — he’s no longer the idol of millions etc — it does start to feel like whining. For most of the last 167 issues he’s complained about being trapped in a monster’s body, and now he wishes he was the Thing again? The story (and Ben) would have been better served with more balance, and including more of his and Alicia’s joy. Unfortunately, he spends most of the issue acting like a self-pitying jerk, and the confrontation with the Wrecker serves no purpose other than to pit Ben against cage.


I’m not sure how many times the Baxter Building has been depicted in the Fantastic Four, but surely Buckler could have consulted one before drawing this splash page. Unless Thomas retroactively decided it was the Baxter Building after Buckler handed in the page. (Note the story title is a punny reference to a popular folk song):


Anything else?

The letters page included the annual statement of circulation. Twelve month average is about 216,000 (it’s amazing how many issues get returned).


Overall

A landmark issue that doesn’t live up to its potential

“The World’s Greatest Comic Magazine!” Fantastic Four No. 167

23 Sunday Mar 2025

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Fantastic Four 167
“Titans Two!”
Published November 1975
Writer: Roy Thomas
Pencils: George Perez
Inks: Joe Sinnott
Letters: Joe Rosen
Colors: Phil Rachelson
Editor: Thomas
Cover: Jack Kirby and Joe Sinnott

Synopsis

After the Thing frees the Hulk from the military’s device, the two escape in an aircraft, heading toward St. Louis. The Hulk demands they alight at the Gateway Arch, where they are eventually attacked by the rest of the Fantastic Four. When he sees his teammates in danger, Ben sides with them agains the Hulk but suddenly begins to change into his human form, a result of exposure to the Hulk’s gamma radiation. He is easily defeated by the Hulk, who escapes.

What’s going on here?

This is a pretty unsatisfying end to a two-part story that had a lot of promise toward the end of last issue, where Ben realizes he and the Hulk are both monsters. The Thing alludes to that solidarity at a few places in the issue, but Roy Thomas doesn’t do much with it and it doesn’t take much for Ben to switch sides again. Thomas instead inserts a subplot of the Thing growing weak and dizzy in the Hulk’s presence, which eventually leads to him becoming human again. None of it makes much sense, and the two-issue arc feels very gimmicky, as it reads mostly as an excuse to shoehorn the Hulk into an FF comic (more guest stars will appear next issue, further evidence that Marvel was trying to goose the FF’s sales).

Joe Sinnott returns to ink George Perez, and it’s a big improvement over Vince Colletta, last month’s inker, although Sinnott can still overpower Perez at times (most times, really).

And speaking of over-powered, Jack Kirby’s pencils are unrecognizable on the cover under Sinnott’s inks. On closer examination I can see touches of Kirby — Reed’s legs, Sue’s posture, the faces of the spectators — but it’s certainly not obvious.

There’s also more inside-baseball in the issue, this time in the form of back-and-forth editor’s notes between Roy and Stan. I’m not sure what they are referencing — Branch Ecch was always code for DC, but who is the Torrid Titan (circa 1965)? — but this sort of thing always endeared me to Marvel when I was a young reader.

What I liked

There are some fun Perez sequences in this comic, like this one:

And this amazing page, with 13 — count ’em, 13! — panels:

Now that Sue’s powers are beefed up, she is shown using them in more interesting ways, like so (and note the footnote):


What I didn’t like

Ben changing into his human form is hard to understand since A, Ben’s powers didn’t come from gamma rays and B, he’s been exposed to the Hulk before. I don’t know if this comes up again, but it sure seems like it would be an easy way to cure Ben of his monstrous form. It’s yet another unexpected curveball thrown at Ben that doesn’t seem based in much from a story or scientific standpoint.


Anything else?

I don’t even know where to begin with this house ad:


Overall

Meh

“The World’s Greatest Comic Magazine!” Fantastic Four No. 166

16 Sunday Mar 2025

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Fantastic Four 166
“If It’s Tuesday, This Must Be The Hulk!”
Published October 1975
Writer: Roy Thomas
Pencils: George Perez
Inks: Vince Colletta
Letters: Joe Rosen
Colors: Phil Rachelson
Editor: Thomas
Cover: Rich Buckler and Dan Adkins

Synopsis

At the behest of the military, the Fantastic Four are flying west to find the Hulk, whom Mr. Fantastic thinks he can prevent from transforming from Bruce Banner with a device of his invention. Their plane is damaged by the Hulk, and after the FF help with an emergency landing, the team eventually captures the Hulk and helps the military secure him. But when it’s clear the authorities aren’t releasing Banner to the FF as agreed, the Thing frees him and joins the Hulk to fight the military.


What’s going on here?

This a bit of an odd issue. The mission to end Banner’s transformations into the Hulk seems to come out of nowhere, and it feels more like an opportunity to get the Hulk on the cover than to tell a good story. The story is padded out with a long sequence of the FF rescuing the plane (and with two pages for letters) but it picks up toward the end.

What’s most alarming about this comic are the inks of Vince Colletta, who is filling in for the Joe Sinnott. Colletta is infamous among comic book fans for butchering Jack Kirby’s work on Thor (it’s well documented here), and he’s accused of taking shortcuts and even erasing details that would take too long to ink. I always felt the criticism was probably over the top, given the passions Kirby evokes in his fans, and that Colletta was a journeyman professional who was doing a job as best he knew how (he is credited with working on more than 1,600 comics over the length of his 40+ year career).

But he does George Perez no favors in this comic. There is a distinct lack of Perez’s signature detail, and his faces look frozen and static. Here’s a good example:

It’s almost unrecognizable as Perez, and even though this is early in Perez’s career, we saw in the last two issues (inked by Sinnott) that many of his characteristics were apparent even at this stage.

In last month’s letters page there was an explanation that regular FF penciler Rich Buckler was unavailable for some reason, and that Perez was pressed into service. It’s possible he had to rush to complete this issue, and was only able to do layouts, leaving emergency inker Colletta the task of finishes. (The padded story and the double letter page would support that theory). In any event, the art in this comic is an unfortunate disappointment after the brilliant FF debut of Perez in the last two issues.

And one footnote: the cover by Buckler was inked by Dan Adkins, a longtime comics inker doing his first work on the Fantastic Four.

What I liked

Despite the shaky premise, the story becomes a good one as the plot develops and Ben’s outrage over the treatment of the Hulk — in his eyes, a fellow monster — at the hands of the military builds from a simmer to boil. His decision to free Banner is genuinely surprising. This is a pretty dramatic sequence, enhanced by Perez’s layouts, which build from an 11-panel page (!) to a great splash:


I also liked how matter-of-factly the FF defeated the Hulk. Granted, the Hulk in this comics isn’t the absurdly over-powered creature he has since become, but it was fun to see them work together as a smooth and efficient team, and where Sue plays a leading role.


And speaking of Sue, this was a fun exchange (this panel follows the “Fkoom!” panel higher up in this post):


What I didn’t like

As mentioned earlier, this story feels padded and contrived, never more so than in the opening sequence, where the FF are flying in a commercial airline — it’s not explained why they’re not in one of their own planes — which just happens to be accidentally clipped by the Hulk. It’s all a set up for the FF to land the plane, but it really serves no narrative purpose. Also, there are some really ungainly poses in this panel (and whose kid is that?).


When the FF scramble to rescue the crashing plane, Reed directs Johnny to burn a hole in he fuselage so they can exit the plane. But why not just open a door?


Overall

A bit of a mess

“The World’s Greatest Comic Magazine!” Fantastic Four No. 165

09 Sunday Mar 2025

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Fantastic Four 165
“The Light of Other Worlds!”
Published September 1975
Writer: Roy Thomas
Pencils: George Perez
Inks: Joe Sinnott
Letters: John Costanza
Colors: Petra Goldberg
Editor: Thomas
Cover: Ron Wilson and Joe Sinnott

Synopsis

Mr. Fantastic begins investigating the Crusader, who defeated the Human Torch last issue and has been on a rampage, destroying banks across New York City. When he attacks a branch in the Bronx, the FF confront him and he reveals he was once the golden age hero Marvel Boy and is now enacted revenge on the banks that prevented him from saving the people of his home world, Uranus (really). Reed deduces his powers are light-generated, and by blotting out the sun the FF are able to defeat him.


What’s going on here

While not quite as tightly paced as the last issue, this comic is a satisfying conclusion to the Crusader story. In the letters page, it is revealed this two-part story was originally intended to be a a single-issue story in Giant-Size Fantastic Four 6, but when that series was canceled, the story was split into two with a few pages added (interestingly, they chose not to simply make it an annual). The note apologies for any dropped plot points — I didn’t detect any— but this issue does feel padded, with a climactic fight scene that lasts longer than it really needs to.

Roy Thomas provides a lengthy and convoluted origin of the Crusader, whose campaign against the banks makes him sound like a super-powered Luigi Mangione. It’s all pretty ridiculous, and it’s clear the Crusader is only in this comics because of Thomas’s affection for obscure characters from the golden and silver ages.

(This origin would eventually be retconned away, and the Crusader is now an Eternal named Thelius who believed himself to be Marvel Boy).

George Perez is back on art duty, and like last issue, he adds his characteristic attention to detail and masterful use of panels. The cover is by Ron Wilson, with Joe Snnott’s inks. At this point Wilson had been around for a few years but this is his first work on the FF. He would go on to draw dozens of issues of Marvel Two-in-One and its successor book, The Thing, becoming one of the definitive pencilers of Benjamin J. Grimm. As far as I can tell, he is the first Black artist to work on an issue of the FF and he would later go on to draw some fill-in issues. The cover is unfortunately marred by some very silly dialogue (and what exactly is the North Bronx? Riverdale? Co-Op City? Van Cortland Park?)


What I liked

Perez again does some great work. I particularly enjoyed this sequence:


And this one, which is a great example of how he uses tiny panels to amazing effect:


Thomas again pokes some fun at the Distinguished Competition in this sequence:


What I didn’t like

As seen above, the Crusader speaks in absurdly grandiloquent phrases (to the extent that Johnny actually makes fun of him at one point). Nothing about his character suggests he’s a former hero from Earth, or that he was any doubts or hesitation about what he’s doing. He’s unfortunately paper-thin as a villain, and Thomas squanders the opportunity to delve into his background to create an interesting resolution to the story. He really could have been any of a number of anonymous bad guys.

Also, this page is just weird, both for Johnny’s off-hand disregard of the Bronx, a borough where 2 million people live, and for Ben’s bizarre recollection that he went to Giants baseball games there. As virtually anyone who lived in New York at that point would know, the Polo Grounds were in upper Manhattan. Thomas’s Missouri origins were never more apparent. Perez does draw a snazzy Fantasticar, though.


Anything else?

There’s another letter from longtime comics creator Peter B. Gillis in this issue, just three years before he has his first credit as a Captain America writer. Also on the page is the editor’s note about why the story was was split in two, and the explanation of why Rich Buckler didn’t draw it. The anonymous author of the response to Gillis — probably Thomas — was wrong about one thing: Buckler wasn’t around for a long time to come. He would go on to draw just two more issues before Perez took over more or less full-time.


There is also a fun ad for Marvel’s Treasury Editions. Just in case anyone is worried I dropped the ball, the FF’s Treasury Edition contains only reprints.



Overall

Solid comic book storytelling

“The World’s Greatest Comic Magazine!” Fantastic Four No. 164

03 Monday Mar 2025

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Fantastic Four 164
“The Crusader Syndrome!”
Published Aug. 1975
Writer: Roy Thomas
Pencils: George Perez
Inker: Joe Sinnott
Letters: John Costanza
Colors: Petra Goldberg
Editor: Thomas
Cover: Jack Kirby (yes, that Jack Kirby) and Sinnott

Synopsis

The Fantastic Four experiments with the Invisible Woman’s recently expanded powers, then Johnny goes on a date with Frankie Raye, only to encounter the Crusader, a new villain. The Crusader battles and defeats the Human Torch, who is rescued by the rest of the FF.


What’s going on here?

There’s a lot to discuss in this issue, so get comfortable. First, it’s arguably the best issue since the end of the Lee / Kirby run. Not just for its notable artists, which we will get to, but it’s a perfectly told and paced story. Roy Thomas opens with the usual Baxter Building shenanigans, introduces new character developments, injects fun familial banter, builds up to a real battle (one which the Torch loses), and ends the story gracefully. It’s not earth-shattering, but it’s a model of how Fantastic Four comics should be told and such a departure from the last issue — one of the worst of the era— that it’s amazing the same man wrote both.

Secondly, it’s a story of firsts. This issue marks the first appearance of Frankie Raye, who becomes Johnny’s girlfriend and, eventually, Nova, a Herald of Galactus. (I suppose it’s a sign of the ’70s that they met at a singles bar, and that Frankie doesn’t even know his last name before agreeing to go a date). It’s also the first appearance of the quantum bands, worn here by the Crusader, that end up on the arms of Quasar, a hero who would go to join the Avengers and star in his own comic.


This issue is also notably the first with a Jack Kirby cover since his departure from the FF after issue 102. In the five years between, Kirby went to DC and invented Darkseid, Apokolips, Mr. Miracle, Big Barda, the Forever People, Kamandi, O.M.A.C. and host of other characters and concepts. When DC canceled the Fourth World books, a frustrated Kirby looked for a way back to Marvel, and received a deal that gave him what he really wanted: control over his own content. (you can read more about it here). Along with writing and drawing Captain America, the Black Panther and the Eternals, he also did a number of covers for other books, including several for his former comic, the Fantastic Four.

And of course, this is the first issue drawn by George Perez, one of the greatest artists to work on the Fantastic Four and a giant of the industry. Just 21 at this point, Perez began his career as an assistant to Rich Buckler, and had drawn about a dozen comics for Marvel— mostly kung-fu or monster comics — before getting a shot at the Fantastic Four. While he was billed as a guest artist in FF 164, he drew the next two issues as well and remained a steady presence on the book for the next several years, drawing about 20 issues, including annuals, in all.

Joe Sinnott was still the inker and while it can be argued he overwhelmed his pencilers, he ensured a uniform look to the characters from Kirby through Buscema and Buckler to Perez (and beyond). But Perez’s individual style is apparent if you know where to look. Some of his trademarks are already apparent, such as panels set within larger panels, and action sequences told across many smaller panels. While nine panels on a page are lot for most artists (and six was standard) Perez could push it to 10, as on this page, or even 12.


Perez also loved incredibly detailed clothing and costumes, much to the chagrin of artists that followed and had to use his designs. Here is Johnny in a new set of duds (which Perez said he modeled after the attire of a South Bronx pimp from his childhood):


The panel reminded me of an iconic page from the New Teen Titans Perez drew about a decade later (and which surely gave subsequent pencilers nightmares):


Lastly, the story features a notable Thomasian tic: the mining of older comics for characters and ideas. The Crusader is revealed in the next issue to be Marvel Boy, a Golden Age character who was raised on Uranus and received great powers there (this origin is later ret-conned away in a 2000s series, Agents of Atlas).


What I liked

Along with all of the above, the issue is a coming-out for a new version of the Invisible Girl, whose powers have been increased since they are amplified by the thunder-horn of Xemu, a would-be world conquerer from the Fifth Dimension (this all went down in issue 159). This development is long overdue and very welcome.

In a series of sequences, she first befuddles Ben during training exercises (also, this may be the first time we see Franklin speaking) …


… then uses her force fields to save Reed, then to bring her and Ben to a soft landing and to hold back the crowds. Ben is impressed.

And if I haven’t said enough about Perez’s art, here’s a great splash page that concludes the comic:


What I didn’t like

There’s not much to dislike. The Crusader comes across as just another chest-thumping villain that spouts cliches, although he has a vicious streak. As usual, Thomas over-narrates the comic, at one point instructing readers on the proper pronunciation of Greenwich

And the ending is a bit puzzling, with Reed striding off across the city alone, to somehow not attract attention. Nor is it clear what he needs to do in the village.


Anything else?

The Bullpen Bulletins announce yet another change in editor at Marvel, with Marv Wolfman taking over for Len Wein. As mentioned before, this a period in which Marvel will have six editors-in-chief in five years, leading to a sense of general instability and chaos. There was a lot of creative ferment at Marvel during this era but a lot of slop, too.


I don’t think I’ve seen this ad, or these toys, before. Sort of a proto-G.I. Joe.


Overall

The best Fantastic Four comic in a long time

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